Tanya Amador-Daigle, 37
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VP Debate
October 2nd - 11:19 pm

All things considered I think Palin did well in the debate tonight. Better than I expected, at the least.  

A few of my observances:

Biden's dramatic "Let me say this again". Guess he was trying to drive his points home.

Biden's condescending little smile and chuckle as if he was saying, "awe, look at the cute little girl, trying to play with the big boys".


Palin's continual use of the word "Maverick" when she had nothing else to say. Annoying.

Palin is definitely an outsider, anyone who believes otherwise is blind. That's good and bad. Some people want experience and some want "change". Either way it doesn't matter, it's only a matter of time before they corrupt her purity.

Comments:
Tanya
New Post
October 7th - 4:45 pm
PALIN RALLY POST, PLEASE READ AND BLOG!
Tanya
Hola!
October 7th - 4:10 pm
Hello everyone! I had to go to the Palin rally yesterday but thanks for keeping the ball rolling! Wow, you guys are even speaking Spanish, muy bueno!
 
robotsworld
Castellano
October 7th - 2:39 pm
Porque naci en Venezuela. Mis padres nacieron en Venezuela.

Pero yo tengo casi toda vida aqui en los estados. Llege cuando tuve 5 anos nada mas.

Pues, no escribo bien en castellano porque no estudie castellano. Pero trato.

Bueno, chamo, devemos escribir en ingles, no? Porque quisas hay gente que no le gustara. ;O) Como los does locos.

Ciao por ahora.
 
Carl(os?)
Gracias
October 7th - 12:48 pm
Gracias Robot. :) Yo trato ...

Pq hablas castellano?
Bert
Darn Lucky for them...
October 7th - 7:00 am
The good folks at Wall Street investment banks sure are lucky that the American people are the salt of the earth, willing to dilute their currency to a dangerous level as the Fed prints up the cash to bail them up. The same "shirt off their backs" US citizens who will put the future earnings of their children and grand children against T-bills sold to our dear friends in China to pay for this debacle. The American people are the most generous people on the planet.

Isn't the saying "you can judge a society by the way they treat the richest among them?"
 
Wally
Posting this here because this seems to be where the discussion has gone
October 7th - 3:18 am
Here's some excerpts from 60 minutes program last night. It wasn't the Sub Prime mortgages that caused the collapse at all. If you have watched the program, the link will take you to the video and transcript.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/05/60minutes/main4502454.shtml

"If you look at how this started with the subprime crisis, it doesn't seem to be a good bet to put your money behind the idea that people with the lowest income and the poorest credit ratings are gonna be able to pay off their mortgages," Kroft points out.

"The idea that you could lend money to someone who couldn't pay it back is not an inherently attractive idea to the layman, right. However, it seemed to fly with people who were making $10 million a year," Grant says.

With its clients clamoring for safe investments with above average return, the big Wall Street investment houses bought up millions of the least dependable mortgages, chopped them up into tiny bits and pieces, and repackaged them as exotic investment securities that hardly anyone could understand.

60 Minutes looked at one of the selling documents of such a security with Frank Partnoy, a former derivatives broker and corporate securities attorney, who now teaches law at the University of San Diego.

"It's hundreds and hundreds of pages of very small print, a lot of detail here," Partnoy explains.

Asked if he thinks anyone ever reads all this fine-print, Partnoy says, "I doubt many people read it."

These complex financial instruments were actually designed by mathematicians and physicists, who used algorithms and computer models to reconstitute the unreliable loans in a way that was supposed to eliminate most of the risk.

"Obviously they turned out to be wrong," Partnoy says.

Asked why, he says, "Because you can't model human behavior with math."

"How much of this catastrophe had to do with the instruments that Wall Street created and chose to buy…and sell?" Kroft asks Jim Grant.

"The instruments themselves are at the heart of this mess," Grant says. "They are complex, in effect, mortgage science projects devised by these Nobel-tracked physicists who came to work on Wall Street for the very purpose of creating complex instruments with all manner of detailed protocols, and who gets paid when and how much. And the complexity of the structures is at the very center of the crisis of credit today."

"People don't know what they're made up of, how they're gonna behave," Kroft remarks.

"Right," Grant replies.

But it didn't stop ratings agencies, like Standard & Poor's and Moody's, from certifying the dodgy securities investment grade, and it didn't stop Wall Street from making billions of dollars selling them to banks, pension funds, and other institutional investors all over the world. But that was just the beginning of the crisis.

What most people outside of Wall Street and Washington don't know is that a lot of people who bought these risky mortgage securities also went out and bought even more arcane investments that Wall Street was peddling called "credit default swaps." And they have turned out to be a much bigger problem.
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"A credit default swap is a contract between two people, one of whom is giving insurance to the other that he will be paid in the event that a financial institution, or a financial instrument, fails," he explains.

"It is an insurance contract, but they've been very careful not to call it that because if it were insurance, it would be regulated. So they use a magic substitute word called a 'swap,' which by virtue of federal law is deregulated," Greenberger adds.

"So anybody who was nervous about buying these mortgage-backed securities, these CDOs, they would be sold a credit default swap as sort of an insurance policy?" Kroft asks.

"A credit default swap was available to them, marketed to them as a risk-saving device for buying a risky financial instrument," Greenberger says.
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"Now, who was selling these credit default swaps?" Kroft asks.

"Bear Sterns was selling them, Lehman Brothers was selling them, AIG was selling them. You know, the names we hear that are in trouble, Citigroup was selling them," Greenberger says.

"These investment banks were not only selling the securities that turned out to be terrible investments, they were selling insurance on them?" Kroft asks
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Asked what role the credit default swaps play in this financial disaster, Frank Partnoy tells Kroft, "They were the centerpiece, really. That's why the banks lost all the money. They lost all the money based on those side bets, based on the mortgages."
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That chapter is not over, and there is much suspense and fear on Wall Street that there are other big losses out there that have yet to be disclosed

They already dwarf what has been lost on those original risky mortgages. As bad as the mortgage crisis has been, 94 percent of all Americans are still paying off their loans. The problem is Wall Street placed its huge bets and side bets with all of those fancy securities on the 6 percent who are not.

"We wouldn't be in any of this trouble right now if we had just had underlying investments in mortgages. We wouldn't be in any trouble right now," says Partnoy.

He says it’s the side bets.

"You got Wall Street firms, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers. You got insurance companies like AIG. Merrill lost a ton of money on this," Kroft says. "Everybody's lost a ton of money. They're supposed to be the smartest investors in the world. And they did it themselves."

"They did it all on their own," Partnoy agrees. "That's the most incredible thing about this crisis is that they pushed the button themselves. They blew themselves up."
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I used the $$$ to indicate different portions of the program. The transcript is 4 pages long, so I didn't want to use up to much space
 
robotsworld
Carl
October 6th - 8:40 pm
Que comico eres!! ;O)
 
Carl Teglund
Word!
October 6th - 8:12 pm
Robot: Es caliente por que me pareció que era posible escribir aquí así. ;)

Fland:

First, I refered to Palin's policies, not her belief in a God (even though I also find that highly irrational, and it's much less than 90 % if our globe's population who are irrational). You asked me nicely to call you insane, so I did.
Second, I'm NOT left-wing. Fact is, I'm much more right-wing than you will ever be. You are refering to authoritarian/libertarian - a whole different scale, meanwhile the left-right scale only goes with economic matters (www.politicalcompass.org).
Third, I don't want anyone to check your personal beliefs "at the door" if it stays a private matter. Problem is (for the third or forth time) that this is not the case with Palin. She will be a policy maker. Her ideas, her agenda, and basically the whole of her political identity is built on her beliefs. As Thomas Jefferson wrote, there should be "a wall separating church and state". That wall has always been under attack by Conservatives who wants to tear it down because they want everyone to live their lives the same way as they do. In my political standpoint, classical European liberalism (Locke, Smith, Chydenius, Bastiat), we tolerate the intolerant. You can live your life according to Your beliefs and no one will stop You unless you are forcing it upon someone else or infringing someone else's freedom. Why can't the intolerant (You) start to tolerate the tolerant?
Forth, policy making can only apply to individuals in society who have been born, if it would be something else policy making would get pretty foggy. Abortions, paid for by the individual, must continue to be legal. Of course you have to make a choice. You cannot (sadly) have both. I choose (because of that she is a living unit in the society) to support the women who choose to use this service. You choose the unborn featus. However, I'm not surprised since Conservatives have never supported female rights - not in Sweden, not in America, not in any ethnical, cultural, or national context.
We must undertand that it is not a question about legal abortions or no abortions at all. In 0-tolerance countries, such as Poland e.g., abortions are still being done, but under cover. This will only move a service there is a demand for under the table to be carried through in the dark so everything would look normal on the surface so you Christian extremists can create an illusion of that your society is pure and pious.

Simplify:

"It would help create jobs to build new prisons and pay for the guards because the prison population would probably explode".
wow, I'll save this one. This quote is something like Ralph Wiggum would say, just slightly less intelligent. I won't even try to debate this because its half-baked irrationality speaks for itself.

"We need to start thinking of long term solutions, and bring back basic manufacturing and food processing jobs to America" - right, and do you have any uplifting suggestions on how to do that?
 
robotsworld
Sizzling
October 6th - 9:18 am
Tanya, looks like your page is Caliente!! :O)
 
asyouwere
Flanda and Simplify for Prez and VP
October 6th - 9:12 am
Flanda "minorities" get the most abortions and Simplify "prison sentence" for women who get abortions. Well, like the Church Lady used to say on SNL, "Isn't that special?"

Just what we need more prisons to warehouse minorities.
 
Flandamier
Oh one more thing...
October 6th - 1:55 am
Not sure how this whole convo got turned into the abortion issue, but wanted add in a couple more comments regarding it.

The majority of women who get abortions are minorities. Matter of fact it is common practice for abortion clinics to accept donations for abortions for minorities who can't afford it.

Which party was it that supports the "abortion on demand" agenda? Oh yeah, the Democrats.

My only question is why do so many minorities support Democrats when it they who are supporting the euthanization of so many minroties?
 
Flandamier
God, give me strength. :)
October 6th - 1:38 am
Carl you crack me up. I was reading your post and thinking to myself how you are making my point. Call me insane if you like, it's ok most left winged loons do anyways.

First - For someone to check their beliefs at the door is unrealistic. Any job or career you have, you take with you your beliefs and sense of morality. For anyone to ask you to check your beliefs at the door is asking you not to be who you are as an individual. That would include those who believe in God, ghosts, scooby-doo, the toothfairy, or nothing at all.

Second - You categorize Sarah and myself as insane people because we believe in something greater than ourselves. Newsflash! 90% of the world belives there is a God of some kind, whether that be Jesus, Muhammed, Budah, Satan, Mother Nature etc.. So are they all insane or is it just Christians?

Third - It is universally accepted that murder is wrong. Murder by definition is the taking of an innocents life. Society dictates that those who murder are to be punished. We in the USA demand justice for the families of murdered victims or any other crime. For you to say that just because my daughter wasn't murdered I shouldn't be outraged that someone elses daughter was murderd is what I would call insane. Just because it doesn't affect me directly doesn't mean that I don't want justice for the victim. The victim in the case of abortion is the baby.
 
simplify
conservative credentials
October 6th - 1:03 am
I for one welcome Palin's fire-brand type nature, and hope that she will be the one to finally start enacting the changes this nation needs. She has the real conservative credentials.

I was hoping Bush, who is a self-described 'born again Christian' would use his position to truly influence the nation. Funding faith-based initiatives is a good start, but he turned out to be nowhere near the conservative I thought he'd be.

I agree with Flandameir on this one. Human life clearly begins at conception, because it's a continuation of current life. Anyone who performs or gets an abortion is therefore killing a human life.

Abortion should be illegal, period. I believe that any woman who gets an abortion should receive at minimum a two year prison sentence and some sort of fine. We cannot allow killing in this society, by anyone, even 15 year old girls who 'are not ready' to be mothers. No excuse.

This would also be good for the economy. The substantial fines these women would pay could help pay the national debt. Likewise, it would help create jobs to build new prisons and pay for the guards because the prison population would probably explode, in the short term anyway, until girls would realize that it's just not a good idea to get abortions.

Finally, because there would be less abortions, we know there would be more children, and they would eventually grow up to replace the current greying and retiring workforce. It will take a decade before we can start putting them to work, but we need to start thinking of long term solutions, and bring back basic manufacturing and food processing jobs to America.

Thanks for letting me share these ideas, controversial as they may be.
 
Carl-Mikael A. Teglund
Ođin og Ţor - give me strength ...
October 5th - 6:57 pm
Tanya: Thank you so much for taking my concerns seriously. It is actually pretty annoying when you think you wrote something pretty smart (and spent like 10-15 min writing it) and then the next day it's "gone". :) Yea, I'm all in favor. I look forward to the populate- part :). Only a lot of hot intelligent ladies and me and a whole planet to fill up. *lol*

Flandamier: You're insane too, and it's my constitutional right to think so and it is your constitutional right to be insane. If people want to put their hope and trust in a State or in a God rather than in themselves it's fine by me, just as long as it doesn't concern MY life. Problem is, with a redneck up on the top executive level it DOES concern me (if it would have been in Sweden that is lol). She has the right to believe in what ever she likes, but she shouldn't let that have influence on her policies. Problem is, in Palin's case it does. Her whole agenda is built on her fairy tale book.

Censorship and outlawing things (such as porn) are bad things due to it restricts human natural freedom. Just as I cannot hinder you to believe in ghosts and the Bogeyman you cannot hinder me from watching Backdoor sluts 8438934 if I wish to. I might find porn or gospel singing hicks insulting on a personal level, and I may - as I do now - have my say about it, but I have no right whatsoever, from infringing your freedom to believe what you believe or consume the products you choose by your free will (that has been produced on the basis of free will) to consume. What gives me that right?

Again, you can believe that a fetus is a human being if you like. I don't actually care, and I don't think I as a politician should have any say if it is or if it isn't. All I know is that for those who do believe this is murder and are against abortions - fine, don't have any. The same goes for same-sex marriages, don't like them - fine, nobody will force you to have one. I can't say I personally like either abortions or homo-marriages, but I couldn't care less unless it is being forced upon me or if it directly concerns ME. That is why it should be legal and free for everyone to have those things, but you shouldn't expect American/Swedish/Mongolian taxpayers to pay the bill.

Who the hell cares how long it took for a cartoon character to create Earth? That this even comes up on the agenda during a political debate that is about who should be the next President over our world's most powerful country is obnoxious and scary ...

tegis.wordpress.com
 
asyouwere
Rights
October 5th - 5:52 pm
Palin has the right to her religious beliefs.

People have a right to watch porn.

As long as they are not pushing it on me...as that's my right.
 
Flandamier
Call me insane too!
October 5th - 3:06 pm
Carl - If she believes the world was created in 7 days that's her right to believe it. Who are you to say she is wrong? Personally I believe the world was created in 6 days and on the the 7th day God rested. Now before you accuse me of being some right wing nut job, let me ask you this. What is a day to God? Is it a year? 10 years? 1000 years? 1 million years? I don't know and neither do you.

"She is pro-censorship to everything say good-bye to your porn."

How is saying good-bye to porn a bad thing? As the infamous Spock once said to Captain Kirk.... "I am all ears."

Her belief on abortion even in the case of rape is controversial indeed. However, if you believe that the baby is indeed a baby then that child is not guilty of anything and shouldn't be put to death. Yes it is terrible what happened to the girl. She will be devastated and will want to lash out. With that said, killing someone who had nothing to do with what happened to you isn't the answer. The whole basis of this argument though, hinges on whether or not you believe the "fetus" is a human being. As for me and a lot of conservatives like me, we believe it is.
 
robotsworld
Oops!
October 5th - 10:55 am
"From from a fraud, he was the REAL thing "

Far from a fraud...
 
robotsworld
Fraud
October 5th - 10:53 am
Hi Tanya,

"The entire setup of our voting system is a complete fraud"

Yes it is. If you watch (assuming you have time) the American Blackout documentary, you'll see how fraud it is. It's disgusting.

Ron Paul, I know, I can't say it enough, is an intelligent man. How Americans passed up the opportunity to have a President who has military experience, is a doctor (actual MD), a studied/learned economist, and constitutionalist, with fiscal conservative views while less conservative on social issues (libertarian) is beyond me. Tells you how dumbed down US is.

For me, he was as close to perfect as we could get and I don't think we'll see another like him. From from a fraud, he was the REAL thing :O(
Tanya
Tegis
October 5th - 10:31 am
Thanks for taking this so seriously (I read your frustration on the front page). I wish I could fix it but it's not my job. I passed your concern onto the "behind the scene", they will try to make it better.

Anyway, there are a lot of market liberals who are trying to make a difference but it's not easy to break the cycle. The American public has been coddled for too long. They don't want to make the change because it will be too uncomfortable for them. They want things to be different but they don't want to pay the price during the adjustment period. That's why the bailout was passed. We should have taken our medicine and considered it a fresh start.
I'm so frustrated, I'm thinking about how all us free-marketers could colonize another planet.
 
Carl Teglund
purity?
October 5th - 10:04 am
Purity? Palin? I don't know about that, sure she's folksy and popular but take a closer look on her political agenda. I mean it's awful. We live in the 21st century dammit, not the Dark Ages.

She’s a completely insane woman. She’s a creationist (meaning that she believes that God created mankind with hocus pocus in 7 days out of nothing) and she is pro censorship for almost everything. Say goodbye to all your porn, America. What’s worse is that she’s against abortion EVEN THOUGH the girl has been raped.

This cannot be stressed enough; the right-wing in America relies too much on hicks and superstitious religious idiots who believes that the world is 7000 years old and probably believes that the world is a flat pancake. It is a little bit scary actually that a party like THAT is the best alternative.
Why can't the market-liberals form their own Party? :S
Tanya
ROBOTS
October 5th - 8:58 am
I just watched the Paul video. I was thinking, one of the requirements to be President should be at least a Masters in some kind of financial degree.
Tanya
SINGING OBAMA KID
October 5th - 8:54 am
did anyone see the creepy clip of the little girl singing about Obama? That poor child is being brainwashed! As one person on TV said, it made the hair on his hair stand up. It's like a cult. Check out the last part of the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM&feature=related
Tanya
ROBOTS
October 5th - 8:46 am
Funny, since my Dad's from Cuba:) Anyway, it was disgusting what they did to Ron Paul. It's one of the reasons I'm thinking about making the jump. The entire setup of our voting system is a complete fraud and until we show them whose boss they will just continue to stick it to us.
Tanya
ooops!
October 5th - 8:43 am
Sorry, Bert, I didn't mean you THink you are probably right, I meant you ARE probably right. typo:(
Tanya
Bert
October 5th - 8:42 am
Thanks for the hoooorah!

You think you are probably right about Palin. I hate to be redundant but she will surely become an insider very quickly if she gets elected. It's inevitable. The Washington players simply have to tight a grip on the game.
Bert
Tanya , you run an engaging page
October 5th - 7:39 am
I don't get anywhere near the kind of traffic you get over here, it isn't fair!
Bert
Folksy, Outsider
October 5th - 7:38 am
That Sarah Palin is a "Washington outsider" and a little bit "folksy" shouldn't put anyone off. After all Geo W Bush was a outsider, a little bit folksy (actually stupid, no act), and once he got elected his VP, and his cabinet were chock full of life long Washington insiders, with a long line waiting to fill the Justice Dept. (as seats were evacuated) and the new "Dept of Homeland Suppression ".
Believe me if/when McCain and Palin get to DC there will be a huge bunch that know exactly what should be done, after all they are already there and doing it.

Don't be fooled, Obama has a huge camp of his funders and party brethren waiting to move right in or come out of their holes in Washington if and when he and Biden get in there (think Joe knows anybody or owes any favors in DC?).
 
robotsworld
Republicans lost their way
October 4th - 6:22 pm
Tanya, I agree. Today's Republicans in office to not adhere to the Republican party platform, "they've lost their way" as Dr. Paul said during the primary debates.

But Libertarian platform fit well these days too.
 
robotsworld
All over the news
October 4th - 6:15 pm
Ron Paul was a candidate that no one wanted to take seriously. Matter of fact, they marginalized and ridiculed him throughout the primary. Now, they invite him to speak about the very same thing he was trying to warn and talk about during the primary debates. And not just the economy/spending but how the war and economy are linked.

Take a look, this is from today October 4th.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZh4SbyOvU
 
robotsworld
Political Refugee.
October 4th - 5:58 pm
haha!

I think you just found a new home.

Kind of like a person defecting from Cuba and coming to America.

Especially, if you are in Florida, you'll still be surrounded by "your people" or the culture of Cuba and America. So it won't be too traumatizing.

I think Libertarian's views are close to Republican's so it won't be too big an adjustment.

I personally relate with the Republican party's platform and with the Libertarian party views, which is why I voted for Ron Paul during the primaries. Media called him Libertarian Republican or Republican leaning toward Libertarian.

Anyhoo, no political refugee label for you.
Tanya
Defecting
October 4th - 12:22 pm
I like that word: I think I might defect. Does that make me a political refugee?

hahaha
 
robotsworld
Libertarian Party
October 4th - 11:41 am
That makes sense. Many who defect from the Republican Party join the Libertarian Party.
Tanya
Robots
October 4th - 11:31 am
Thanks for the info. I should have clarified that the Libertarian party is the party that, after researching them, seems to really be the right fit for me. MOST of their views fit mine. I feel like the Republican party was very much like them years ago but then lost itself somewhere along the way.
There are a few questions I still have and I will keep researching, I only have a few weeks left...yikes!
 
robotsworld
Hi Tanya
October 4th - 11:22 am
"The average American won't fact check it...vomit!"
I know, I know.

As for third party, they all agree with four major issues that affect our economy and our place in the world today. AND they differ strongly with the McBama folks.

Foreign Policy
They want a NON-interventionist foreign policy
(which is NOT the same as an isolationist foreign policy those who believe or suggest this are usually folks who believe in an interventionist foreign policy).

3rd Party candidates are serious about bringing the troops HOME not dragging them into another fight.

Let me tell you about some news I got yesterday (I'll try to make it brief).

My friend's son (19 years old) is in Iraq. He fought two weeks ago. They have them fighting in one location then traveling to another location to fight more. The time it takes to travel from one location to another is average one and a half hours and during that time, they are open to possible attacks. His son told him that, "they are tired and want this to be over with already."

That's from someone who is IN Iraq fighting for democracy. These are stories we won't hear in the corporate/mainstream/news media.

So long as the troops are there, believe there will be a fight, and they will be targets.

As far as 3rd party, they also want to repeal the Federal Reserve, they're sick of Congress and the bailout, Cynthia McKinney herself was a Congresswoman who understands from the inside how corrupt things are. How they're bought and paid for by special interests.

Here's a really good documentary "American Blackout" if you get a chance please watch it. It involves the voter fraud in Florida and how McKinney was attacked by the establishment.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5965670944815984616

And I don't know if you saw Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism
several senators and congressmen are interviewed.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

3rd party are opposed to the Patriot Act
Obama and McCain voted for it.

3rd Party talk about and are proponents of Civil Liberties. How can Obama a "Civil Rights" lawyer sign that?

Here's an article written by Matt Gonzalez (Nader's VP running mate). He makes a good argument and brings up facts about Obama while at the same time, shows how Obama is no different from Republicans when voting on issues.

The Obama Craze: Count Me Out
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2008/Obama-Craze-Gonzalez27feb08.htm
 
robotsworld
Flandamier
October 4th - 11:00 am
Hi Flanda,

I didn't see the Carl interview but I did see the Charles Gibson interview. I heard her in the debate and she came across as so rehearsed as though she memorized her script. What is so "gotchya" about asking Palin what magazines would she read to get a sense on current events around around the world? She wouldn't name one magazine, she could have just said "TIME magazine." It was an incredible interview. She didn't know what the Bush doctrine was etc. Let me just say, I didn't like it when a celebrity like Matt Damon, in an interview, attacked Palin and admitted practically in the same sentence "I don't know anything about her" and he was scared for her to be VP and possibly P if McCain drops. I thought that was unfair because if you don't know anything about a person then how can you attack them like that. The interviews and debates are/were so that we can get to know her views, where she stands, and she stand with McCain...kind of like, you know, that saying "tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are." I disagree with most of what she says and the fact that she can't seem to answer the simplest questions.

Anyway, Kissinger has said that if indeed Palin were to have to assume the role of President, she'll have many advisors to help her. All those advisors are McCain advisors. That's just as scary as McCain or Obama being President. Kissinger scares me just as well.

Anyway, I've read some of your statements before, so I think you like an interventionist foreign policy so there goes that...so at least you get that with McCain but you'll get it with Obama too.

Tanya
Robotsworld
October 4th - 10:47 am
I agree with you about the lies during the debate. One of them would say something about a Presidential candidate and the other would say NOOOO, that's not true. It's so funny because they know they can get away with it. The average American won't fact check it...vomit!
Tanya
FLAND-Palin
October 4th - 10:44 am
I like Palin, I think she does a great job in Alaska, and LIZZ, I agree with your thoughts on the debate. Much better than the Presidential debate, no?

Part of me thinks she doesn't know what's going on though. She is strong on energy and possibly fiscal stuff but her foreign policy scares me. I like that she's not an insider, but I think YOU know more about foreign policy than she does.
On the other hand, I know there have been great leaders in history who were wet behind the ears like Palin, but had what it took to rise to the occasion. But it's like you said, she's NOT at the top of the ticket.
Tanya
Fland
October 4th - 10:38 am
You said:
Before you hop on the 3rd party band wagon, look at your pick and their VP pick and see if they are "presidential enough." Do they have the Washington experience? Probably not. Do they have the executive experience? Probably not. So tell me how they are much better than Sarah Palin?

I say: You are right, except here's my point of view:

I'm thinking about voting 3rd party. Not because I think that one of their tickets may be more qualified, but because I've gotten to the point where I am so nauseated by the current two party system, I feel compelled to vote my conscience. (BERT, I never could relate to you saying that until now)
By voting for the lesser of two evils, which is what I've usually done, I feel I would be supporting and condoning their corruptness and ineptness. They show us that we have 2 choices, take it or leave it. Why was Nader or Barr not allowed in the debates? Why are they not on the ticket in some states? What about this bailout? Why was McCain and Obama so quick to support the bailout of Wall Street? I could go one and on. I'm sick of it and I'm not going to be a co-dependent anymore!
 
Flandamier
Robotsworld
October 4th - 2:13 am
Did you see the Sarah Palin interview with Carl Cameron the day after the debate?

The problem with "journalists" is that they don't want to hear the truth. They want to have "gotchya" questions so that no matter how you answer them it's wrong just so they can be the one to break the next BIG scandal. I give you Katie Couric.

The thing that bugs the crap out of me with the republican ticket is that they have the wrong person at the top of the ticket. :(
 
robotsworld
October 3rd - 9:53 pm
"So tell me how they are much better than Sarah Palin?"

3rd Party candidates understand that "government" is suppose to be servants to their masters, "we the people."

McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden are servants to their "$$$masters$$$" Federal Reserve, Wall Street, Corporate Bankers, Special Interests Groups, Lobbyists, etc.

Gosh, did you not see the Katie Couric interview? I felt so embarrassed for Palin. But I'm sure McCain's camp is breaking-her in, she'll be a "maverick" real soon.
 
robotsworld
Kind of like...
October 3rd - 9:22 pm
"Flavor of the month" "New kid on the block"
 
robotsworld
Why?
October 3rd - 9:21 pm
Because she's something new. Biden's be around forever.
 
Flandamier
October 3rd - 6:40 pm
It's funny. After the debate everyone was talking about Sarah Palin. On one channel you had them saying how she beat the pants off of Senator Biden. On another channel they were talking about how good she could memorize lines but there was no substance. It didn't matter what channel you flipped to, the topic was Sarah Palin. Senator Biden was mentioned a couple times but the overall coverage was about Sarah. My question is... Why?

So what did we learn from the debate? Honestly not too much. Comparing the two VP picks Biden sounded more presidential, even though he spewed several blatent lies (wait, thats presidential isn't it?) Sarah Palin sounded more like she was spewing a lot of talking points with a little "down home" flair.

What I don't get from the posts here is that we don't want elitist running the country, yet when someone who isn't in that category is put up on stage then they aren't "presidential enough." You can't have it both ways guys/gals.

Before you hop on the 3rd party band wagon, look at your pick and their VP pick and see if they are "presidential enough." Do they have the Washington experience? Probably not. Do they have the executive experience? Probably not. So tell me how they are much better than Sarah Palin?
 
robotsworld
Some facts adrift in veep debate
October 3rd - 12:06 pm
If you're interested in knowing where they were wrong here's the link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/debate_fact_check

I think it's really bad when these candidates spill all kinds of information that aren't facts, and worse, viewers/voters who aren't as well-informed about any of the candidates just accept whatever they say as true facts. Then they'll vote for whosever answer sounded more creditable because these candidates sound as if they believe their own words even when they bend the truth.

SAD
 
Elizabeth
ITS ME!!!
October 3rd - 11:43 am
Oooo. I just wrote a good one and the whole thing deleted.

Nutshell... I thought Palin did better than I had expected. I think her strength in this debate was her inexperience and her fresh face to Washington. She could point out many times in Biden's history where he has voted against Obama and with McCain. I mean, just a few months ago Biden was on stage with Obama debating with him about who had better fundamentals, and trying to show the country how him and Obama were different and that Biden was a better bet for the VP! I appreciated Palin in saying that she doesn't understand the flip flopping of Washington. Clever. I don't think Biden was a fan of it either.

Biden, however, showed his experience in Washington. His examples of his experience were thoughtful and well intertwined, and he seems very cognitive. I don't care for him or his spit though, thank you very much. I couldn't take him saying "George Bush'" one more time though. Gag me.
 
robotsworld
Empty
October 3rd - 8:09 am
I didn't hear anything from either one that could sway my vote. Although my mind's made up 3rd party.

Palin, I think, is being herself. Yet, I can't help but think that the McCain camp (and Palin) are banking on her personality trait or behavior (cuteness or soccer mom thing, whatever) will get them votes or because she's not the usual old male politician that that is "different" and will appeal to folks.

Maybe I'd like to be Palin's friend but I wouldn't want her as my VP.

As for Joe (I can call him Joe on this blog can't I?) He agrees "and disagrees" with Obama on issues so I sometimes think does he really BELIEVE in Obama?

I completely agree the only change we'll is the change in Palin should McCain get into office.

Is it me but whatever happened to real debates where there was a CLEAR transparent difference between the two parties. It's as obvious as ever that there is no difference.
 
Wally
Bert
October 3rd - 6:45 am
I agree that we need to not only provide an education but the jobs to go along with it.

One of the problems with Joe Six Pack today is that due to the failures of our current educational system, he doesn't realize that instead of buying a six pack a day he could by a 12 pack, 18 pack, 20 pack etc and save money if he didn't drink it all in one night.

America has lost the edge that it once had and that was education. We didn't lose it overnight it's been happening for quite sometime. Not only is labor less expensive overseas but people in some of the countries have learned English as a second language on top of their normal studies.

We will need to be teaching foreign languages in Elementary School and High School. I'm not talking about the one semester type but the actual teaching of becoming fluent so that they can more easily compete in a global economy.
 
Wally
Interesting
October 3rd - 6:27 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYaJkWUBP3s

The above link is too some excerpts of Sarah Palin's debates during her run for Governor. The difference is amazing. From the compilation we see a well spoken candidate with little discernible accent.

I can only surmise that the GOP strategist decided that dumb ed down version of Sarah Palin would be much more attractive to the American Public.

I find this not only Sexist but demeaning to the American Public. I also have a tough time understanding why Palin would go along with it.
Bert
Too many Joe Sixpacks
October 3rd - 6:26 am
The thing that we noticed right away was that she learned how to say "Nucular" from GW Bush.

When we had a lot of jobs that would support a family (and the sixpack) that required no education beyond high school, it was acceptable to be "Joe Sixpack". What the Government and Industry has done is to expose us to "Free Trade" and the "Global Economy" while maintaining the same old "summer off for agriculture" educational system that we ever had. If we are going to run with the "Big Dogs" of Global Economy (China, India) then Joe Sixpack is gonna be "Joe two cups of rice" and his disenfranchisement will only further accelerate the "rule by the elite" trend that has become accepted in this country. The elite in this Nation (via our Government) are going to have to be made to shoulder the expense of educating the masses instead of just shipping the work off to nations where the government has already accepted that responsibility. The other thing is there must be incentive (good jobs) that make "Joe Sixpack" want to be "Joe Tech Degree".
 
Wally
OOPS
October 3rd - 2:10 am
I hit the enter button before writing my comment.

First off I am appalled at her lack of command of the English language. Every time I hear "got" or "Got to", I cringe. How in the world did she get a degree in journalism. I know this may sound nitpicky but the U.S. already has a worldwide image problem. Carl posted about that on the main thread. Since we have been speaking of education on the main board, I believe this is appropriate. What message are we sending not just to the world but to the youth of America when we accept a person that mangles our language as the second most powerful person in America?

I realize that it may just be a ploy being used by the campaign in order for her to appeal to some americans but I must wonder what the world in general thinks. Remember that most of the world was mystified that Bush could be elected after showing his less than stellar intellect.

She talks about Joe Six Pack and how she is just like them. Great, let's have a beer and some laughs but I don't want Joe Six Pack leading my city much less the nation. She is personable no doubt about that but I have yet to see her show a true understanding of the issues. She is good at studying and being able to repeat what she has learned. It is no different than what many school systems now do with the youth of our nation. Teach them to pass tests but never learn.

I am sadden that our great country has come to a point where we no longer demand excellence. I believe that many who post on this site have a better understanding of the issues and a better command of the English language than Sarah Palin does and don't believe that anyone of us believe that we are qualified to lead this nation.

I don't dislike her but I don't want her to be our representative to the world.
 
Wally
Would you want her to represent the US to the world?
October 3rd - 1:36 am