Bert Sobanik, 51
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Purple States does it too!.... Non Recognition of third party candidates
Purple States does it too!.... Non Recognition of third party candidates
October 19th - 8:15 am

 

It came to me yesterday, why haven’t we met or discussed not even one third party candidate? We delved into the fringe candidates of both major parties, met with and discussed the impact of “Independent Voters”, but not one side track into the world of non major party affiliated candidates.

 

It has been just over a full year since my Purple States journey began. This has been a time of exploration and realization for me. I thought that because I read the paper and watched and listened to PBS news programs that my knowledge base was quite complete and the issues of the day fairly well understood. I have some lingering beliefs though, especially that no major party candidate is free to act upon the best course the nation should follow based on the benefits to the majority of US citizens. The campaigns of both parties are funded by the same groups of deep pocketed industry associations, and other special interest groups. This is no where more evident than during the debates when the candidates do not accuse each other of receiving the money, but instead who has received the most.

            Since the debates are no longer organized by the League of Women Voters, but instead by the two major parties themselves, we will no longer be able to watch a third party interloper like Ross Perot or John Anderson get on the stage with the designated Red or Blue brand candidates.

 

Just yesterday when we where in NH and I spoke with Elizabeth about third party candidates “she told me that she didn’t want to vote for any of them because we hadn’t met them”, it was then that I realized that for all the depth of discovery that the purple states experience had provided that we where never introduced to or encouraged to discuss third party candidates. In this way we have been very much like the other more main stream media outlets that we seek to exceed in our more innocent and basic concern type of coverage.

If I were beginning my experience again today I would ask the producers to give us the opportunity to consider the third party options offered by The Green Party’s Cynthia McKinney, Independent Party’s Ralph Nader, and the Libertarian, Bob Barr. While some may argue that these are not viable, I would say that the attitude is the reason why, and that as the quality of life continues to deteriorate in this country the demand for new and different types of solutions will increase.

 

Some may argue otherwise but my year-long journey with purple states has solidified my belief that the two party system is completely broken and thoroughly corrupted by the money that funds it.

 Republocrats, unfettered by the historic checks and balances of Tar and Feathers for those who betray the public trust.

Comments:
Bert
You can choose not to like it!
October 27th - 8:09 am
 
mockstar
October 26th - 10:55 pm
Oh yeah, the third-party movement has really got the mainstream quakin' in it's boots!

Especially all those Libertarian politicians of national significance.

Ron Paul is a pro-life, pro-gun, Texas Republican.
Bert
Getting the reaction vote
October 24th - 11:38 pm
Bill Clinton enraged many clean living righteous people with his total lack of moral integrity, both in his willingness to get involved with shady deals and shady people to make money when he was still in Arkansas, and then with his choice of a government employed 23 year old (near his daughters age) to fornicate with in historic areas of the white house. He was easy to be ashamed of.

Reaction time, George W Bush is aided by the bad taste left by the Clinton administration in attaining the White House , where he and his NEO-CON henchmen handlers, perform even more heinous acts, pushing our nation into an unjustified and unpopular war, OK'ing torture for prisoners (I was horrified, after all we are Americans!) and increasing the size of ouir already bloated and unwieldy Government and...running up the biggest budget deficits ever!

The enormity of George W Bush's blunders as President made the task of anyone running against the next Republican candidate a lot easier. The smell of his administration will linger long in Washington DC.

I hope that whoever becomes the next President, that their legacy is not more shame for our battered and weary nation, we need a forthright and honest (relatively, even) person to lead us into a better time.
 
robotsworld
so they DON'T encroach on our civil rights
October 24th - 7:39 pm
Yikes! Almost sounded like I was happy with the status quo :O(
 
robotsworld
3rd Party
October 24th - 7:37 pm
McKinney a former Congresswoman
Barr a former Congressman
Nader an attorney, author, lecturer, political activist

I think any of these three are qualified to run and they all three agree in such areas as Foreign Policy, Federal Reserve, Privacy, and Monetary Issues. These are major areas that I believe need some real change, repeal, and need to be addressed so they encroach on our civil rights.

Let's not forget that the Republican Party started as Third Party. However, as Ron Paul has said "they've lost their way."
Bert
Big Money pollutes politics, because you demand it!
October 24th - 6:26 am
I rarely get the chance to read a more arrogant post. You sit cozy in your anonymity and suppose to tell ME how to vote. You are a real bonehead.

Brave people fought and died to preserve my voting rights, I will not be wasting that right to cast my vote for someone I don't see as worthy for the honor.

Your poorly researched post discounts the Libertarian party, the third largest party that already has many successes in local elections.

You like the way things are obviously, so enjoy them as I look to a new day in our Democratic Election System.
 
mockstar
Good thoughts re 3rd parties. But ...
October 24th - 4:53 am
Puplestates would have been a good venue for third-party candidates, especially in the primaries. But as I wrote to Lizz: I'm amused you still see shades of gray when clearly the future is green and the next president is black.

I agree that the US needs a credible third party (or 4 or 5, as other countries have.)

As a practical matter, any third party will first have to thrive on a local and state level before it will ever produce a candidate with a realistic shot for the presidency, right? If the Green or Libertarian parties want to have a president someday, they would do well to first elect mayors, House reps and governors (hopefully not like Jesse Ventura, the pro wrestler who became governor of Minnesota and tanked.) Until then, any third-party vote will be more of a reflection of the voter him/herself than of the makeup of government.

Still, some third-party voters seem to think it's all about them. And as much as politicians in election years -- especially Barack -- want to to tell you that this election is about you, it's not.

Presidential third-party votes haven't ever elected their candidate, but they can help sway an election: Ross Perot's indie candidacy helped bring home Bill Clinton's first win; some argue that Ralph Nader's candidacy hurt Gore in his tight race against Bush.

But we don't hear much from indie candidates when there's not a presidential race. Maybe you can work to change that; maybe you've got a better idea. Point is, this presidential election is not one to throw down a protest vote for some dude with no chance of winning.

It won't register anywhere except with you and God -- and that's not a vote, that's a prayer. A Hail Mary! I thought you supported the separation of church and state, Burt!

I understand why you want to vote third party, but I hope you'll reconsider, if only for practicality's sake. A third party vote in the 2008 presidential election is merely an expression of anger and disgust, and though it may symbolize something to you personally, it won't move the needle one bit -- it's just an act of superfluous arrogance, worthy of George W. Bush.
Bert
You can have any flavor you want,
October 21st - 7:20 am
as long as it is Republican or Democrat.

I cannot in good conscience support either of the major parties after the screw job they have been supplying over the years.

I really like what Obama says, and the fact that a man like Colin Powell (who I admire very much) supports him almost pushes me over.

HOWEVER

The last Ivy league Lawyer, Democrat (Clinton) that sat in the White House signed NAFTA, gave permanent "most favored trade status" to China, and generally sold my entire career (a career based on hard work and skill) down the river.

I will NEVER forget, and cannot support another, so similar candidate, so I will be voting third party as well.
Tanya
3rd parties
October 20th - 7:24 pm
Bert, I too wish we had sought out interviews with 3rd party candidates. I have sooo many questions I would have loved to have asked them. I am researching them on my own now and I know I am voting 3rd party, just not sure for whom yet.
I simply cannot continue to support the current broken system and the corrupt politicians who are a part of that machine.
Elizabeth
October 20th - 12:23 pm
FLAND: I agree, Bert's got some interesting words.

BERT: I'm glad you picked up on my confusion and lack of understanding. My point was how can I vote for someone I don't even know anything about? The only way for me to find anything out about third party candidates is my own pain staking labor and research, with nothing readily accessible or available. However, I can only vote on the information I have, and that information is Obama and McCain. I would be no better than the girl who was representing Obama and knew crap about him if I voted third party for third party's sake. I love the sound of revolution, but I can't join a revolution for superficial reasons.

I think I might write my own blog about it. It was great seeing you, and thank you for the ride to the airport!

Oh, and I'd be voting Ron Paul regardless of position as well. Well, maybe I wouldn't so much anymore. Globalization is inevitable. I think we could hurt the economy by pulling out of all foreign investments. That's another argument.
Bert
Ron Paul has a good plan
October 20th - 6:13 am
I would vote for Ron Paul regardless of his party. He has a plan that addresses the issues that concern me the most and is willing to tell the truth, that the nation is in a bad spot and we will suffer some pain to change our direction.

The mainstream positions; that a couple of tweaks to our current policies will make everything alright, are a bunch of baloney.
 
Flandamier
October 20th - 3:57 am
Bert - I don't know why you don't get more response to your posts, but I really like reading what you have to say. You make me think til my brain hurts.

You are absolutely right about the 3rd party candidates. I think we should discuss them and consider them. Matter of fact I wouldn't even be considering third party had it not been for John McCain being the standard bearer for the Republican party. As a conservative I have some real issues about voting for him. Now if the guy I wanted (Mike Huckabee) was at the top of the ticket, I know that it wouldn't really matter who that 3rd party candidate was because I know who I would be voting for already.

My question for you though, is would you do the same? I mean if Ron Paul had been at the top of the ticket, would you still feel the same about voting 3rd party this year, as you have stated?